The fetus drawn in the book is animal. I can't see Snape being hesitant about using it, so...
This was generally an exercise in shadowing. I guess I'll need much more practice when it comes to shapes on which light falls from below rather than from the side or from above.
I agree. I don't think Snape would hesitate to use animal ingredient in his potions . In fact, I figure in the Muggle world Snape would be a scientist who was all for animal testing . I'm sure there are a ton of people who would hate me for saying that, but it just fits his personality in my opinion.
Now, as for me and my little Hufflepuff heart - I shudder at the thought .
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"In the end only love matters... It is love that brought the universe into being and it is love that will transform it... Love is the Alchemist of the soul."
I terrible sorry, but I can´t let that rest on him, without contradiction...
Severus Snape is a potionmaster. For making potions you have to you use ingredients. And maybe Rowling was a bit to weird by her discriptions about that kinds and sorts. But okay, lets say, something like fetus of vertebrates (animals with a backbone) have to be part of some of the potions. So he´ll use them. BUT it is the most greatest difference to abet the impression if he´d use something he bought or traded, or if he tortured (!) animals too death, to get the ingredients... I´ve not the impression of him, of being someone who would stand for such disgusting like animal testing.... Severus Snape is odd for some reasons and traumatized - but he ain´t cruel .
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Hm...you did give me something to think about. Well, when I was drawing this, I admit I wasn't thinking about HOW he'd acquire the fetuses; I simply saw him making a potion with them, and I still stand my ground on that. I mean, all we non-vegetarian folks use animal ingredients for different purposes, and we rarely feel guilty about it. Beef soup comes to my mind in particular... However, you are more than right when you say that torturing animal for the sheer pleasure of it is one thing, and using animal products for certain purposes (food and medications in particular) are very different things, even though it's a rather touchy moral subject on which many wise heads have been pounding on for some time now. So, unless Snape had a soft spot on animals, and I doubt that anybody that nice could have become a Death Eater, he wouldn't mind using any part of any animal (except unicorn, maybe?) for a potion. We do know that the students in Hogwarts use rat spleen and armadillo bile; both substances are obviously taken from dead animals. But torturing an animal for the sheer pleasure of it? Cutting a pregnant cat open to retrieve the fetuses and see if he could, perhaps, use them in an experimental potion of some sort, and smiling in the process? Now, that certainly isn't how I see him. Now that I think of it, I imagine he'd enter the apothecary in Diagon Alley and buy a jar of magically conserved cat fetuses, seventeen knusts per jar, thank you, Professor Snape, hope to see you soon. BUT. He WAS a Death Eater. I don't think that Snape is EVIL, obviously, but I can't say that he isn't cruel on quite many occasions. Look at poor Neville...(though I understand how frustrating he can get...) I understand how you feel, but I don't think he could enlist for a Death Eater without manifesting a cruel streak, or at least a certain disregard for other people's suffering. I don't think that he enjoyed it, but hadn't he had it in him, he could never serve Voldemort. I mean, come on- he HAD to participate in Death Eaters' crimes to SOME level, or he wouldn't have lasted a day among them. Dumbledore asked him:"How many man and women have you watched dying?" and Snape answers: "LATELY, only those I couldn't have saved". LATELY. Which means there had probably been times when he'd missed the opportunity to save somebody because he'd though it to be unsafe at the time. Look at Charity Burbage scene. I'm CERTAIN he didn't enjoy it, that his guts were twisting with anguish, that he smashed half of his room later that night when he was alone, but he let it happen because he knew he has to. That's the difference between him and, say, Harry or Minerva or Sirius. Our Gryffindors couldn't have allowed it happening if the world's fate was depending on it; they would charge in to help Charity and everything else be damned, consequences included. Snape, a Slytherin, is capable of holding his own heart on a very short leash, if the stakes are high. He was able to kill Dumbledore because he had that trait in him. I myself was FORCED to perform some rather ugly experiments on lab rats when I was in University. I say forced, because we couldn't have a passing grade without doing it. For example, we had to drawn a rat in icy water to prove it'd die of hypothermia (oh my what a surprise), or cut their abdominal cavities open, sew it back and monitor their condition daily to check for the signs of peritonitis or septic shock. Oh, and we were giving them morph and cocain to see the different influence of drugs. I must say that for me, it was a very ugly part of my education, and I was trying to kill my rats as quickly as possible. Later we were said that it was necessary for us to develop a certain level of cold-heartedness, or we'd never be able to make difficult choices once we face the real patients. And my Pathology professor-just like our Severus- has an assembly of various human parts in jars in her office. Among them are human fetuses in different stages of development and a human penis. So, it's likely that us health care folks have a little bit different view on that stuff than the normal people. same probably goes for Snape; he'd seen a lot of death, too. ...in short, yes; I'd rather see him buying those fetuses in apothecary than retrieving them himself. I'm sorry if this drawing upset you; if you find it insulting or inappropriate, I'll remove it. My apologies
The lines you wrote beneath told clearly what you thinking about the fact, he might be use even such kind of ingrentients...
I wasn´t agree with northangel27 statement of seeing him as a intercessor for animal testing, as he would live in muggles world. That was the mere intent for doing my contradiction... The Deatheater matter in his life and its effects on his inner beeing - and also the effects of his lost he had to suffer by the particular matter of death, in connection with his high intelligence, would be arouse discussions, which I am not really willing to join into - because: Not two people read the same book, as the quote of bemoan so wonderful express...
Don´t put your drawing form the DA!!!!
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I guess he'd be a type of scientist who doesn't really enjoy torturing animals in experiments, but if it would be for what he'd consider the right cause, he'd do it. Perhaps unwillingly, hesitantly, but he would. If there had been a choice between, say, discovering a cure for an illness and sacrificing about ten thousand lab animals, then those animals would be one hell out of luck...
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Now, as for me and my little Hufflepuff heart
--
"In the end only love matters...
It is love that brought the universe into being
and it is love that will transform it...
Love is the Alchemist of the soul."
Severus Snape is a potionmaster. For making potions you have to you use ingredients. And maybe Rowling was a bit to weird by her discriptions about that kinds and sorts. But okay, lets say, something like fetus of vertebrates (animals with a backbone) have to be part of some of the potions. So he´ll use them.
BUT it is the most greatest difference to abet the impression if he´d use something he bought or traded, or if he tortured (!) animals too death, to get the ingredients... I´ve not the impression of him, of being someone who would stand for such disgusting like animal testing....
Severus Snape is odd for some reasons and traumatized - but he ain´t cruel
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*Stocking means - to NOT look into the camera*
Well, when I was drawing this, I admit I wasn't thinking about HOW he'd acquire the fetuses; I simply saw him making a potion with them, and I still stand my ground on that. I mean, all we non-vegetarian folks use animal ingredients for different purposes, and we rarely feel guilty about it. Beef soup comes to my mind in particular...
However, you are more than right when you say that torturing animal for the sheer pleasure of it is one thing, and using animal products for certain purposes (food and medications in particular) are very different things, even though it's a rather touchy moral subject on which many wise heads have been pounding on for some time now. So, unless Snape had a soft spot on animals, and I doubt that anybody that nice could have become a Death Eater, he wouldn't mind using any part of any animal (except unicorn, maybe?) for a potion. We do know that the students in Hogwarts use rat spleen and armadillo bile; both substances are obviously taken from dead animals.
But torturing an animal for the sheer pleasure of it? Cutting a pregnant cat open to retrieve the fetuses and see if he could, perhaps, use them in an experimental potion of some sort, and smiling in the process? Now, that certainly isn't how I see him. Now that I think of it, I imagine he'd enter the apothecary in Diagon Alley and buy a jar of magically conserved cat fetuses, seventeen knusts per jar, thank you, Professor Snape, hope to see you soon.
BUT. He WAS a Death Eater.
I don't think that Snape is EVIL, obviously, but I can't say that he isn't cruel on quite many occasions. Look at poor Neville...(though I understand how frustrating he can get...) I understand how you feel, but I don't think he could enlist for a Death Eater without manifesting a cruel streak, or at least a certain disregard for other people's suffering. I don't think that he enjoyed it, but hadn't he had it in him, he could never serve Voldemort. I mean, come on- he HAD to participate in Death Eaters' crimes to SOME level, or he wouldn't have lasted a day among them. Dumbledore asked him:"How many man and women have you watched dying?" and Snape answers: "LATELY, only those I couldn't have saved". LATELY. Which means there had probably been times when he'd missed the opportunity to save somebody because he'd though it to be unsafe at the time. Look at Charity Burbage scene. I'm CERTAIN he didn't enjoy it, that his guts were twisting with anguish, that he smashed half of his room later that night when he was alone, but he let it happen because he knew he has to. That's the difference between him and, say, Harry or Minerva or Sirius. Our Gryffindors couldn't have allowed it happening if the world's fate was depending on it; they would charge in to help Charity and everything else be damned, consequences included. Snape, a Slytherin, is capable of holding his own heart on a very short leash, if the stakes are high. He was able to kill Dumbledore because he had that trait in him.
I myself was FORCED to perform some rather ugly experiments on lab rats when I was in University. I say forced, because we couldn't have a passing grade without doing it. For example, we had to drawn a rat in icy water to prove it'd die of hypothermia (oh my what a surprise), or cut their abdominal cavities open, sew it back and monitor their condition daily to check for the signs of peritonitis or septic shock. Oh, and we were giving them morph and cocain to see the different influence of drugs. I must say that for me, it was a very ugly part of my education, and I was trying to kill my rats as quickly as possible. Later we were said that it was necessary for us to develop a certain level of cold-heartedness, or we'd never be able to make difficult choices once we face the real patients. And my Pathology professor-just like our Severus- has an assembly of various human parts in jars in her office. Among them are human fetuses in different stages of development and a human penis. So, it's likely that us health care folks have a little bit different view on that stuff than the normal people. same probably goes for Snape; he'd seen a lot of death, too.
...in short, yes; I'd rather see him buying those fetuses in apothecary than retrieving them himself. I'm sorry if this drawing upset you; if you find it insulting or inappropriate, I'll remove it. My apologies
I hadn´t say its the drawing itself.
The lines you wrote beneath told clearly what you thinking about the fact, he might be use even such kind of ingrentients...
I wasn´t agree with northangel27 statement of seeing him as a intercessor for animal testing, as he would live in muggles world.
That was the mere intent for doing my contradiction...
The Deatheater matter in his life and its effects on his inner beeing - and also the effects of his lost he had to suffer by the particular matter of death, in connection with his high intelligence, would be arouse discussions, which I am not really willing to join into
Don´t put your drawing form the DA!!!!
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*Stocking means - to NOT look into the camera*
--
"In the end only love matters...
It is love that brought the universe into being
and it is love that will transform it...
Love is the Alchemist of the soul."
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